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Ivorell - Loose ends #2 by Brian-van-Hunsel Ivorell - Loose ends #2 by Brian-van-Hunsel
Finished an older map. I coloured it, added a few things and corrected some mistakes.

I'm still not entirely happy with the way it turned out, but I'm not quite sure what's causing it.

While I love praise, serious critiques are very welcome :)


Pencils, micron pens, A3 paper, Photoshop CS4.
The background paper is "Old Paper" by Struck_Dumb [link]. Again. Because it's the best one I've found so far =)

EDIT:
I've made a few changes to the original coloured version, which can be found here: [link]

Special thanks to
-ScotlandTom [link]
-jpb06 [link] and
-west2 [link]
for their suggestions.
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:iconamliel:
Ok as i have no idea what kind of kingdom this map shows or what is the story behind it I only will write about the artistic aspects.

When I first saw this map I thought of Middle Earth. Your style is really equal still I have to say prefer yours. I like the fact that everything is clearly lined and that you refrained to much details. Also I think it's great that you used only a few tree symbols inside the woods instead of filling everything out. The same for the water and everything else.
The colouring is great. You used a little shadows which gives the whole landscape kind of a plastic look. I also like the coloured frontiers. Only the colours of the lands around "Cen Heddan" and "Tranto" look a little strange to me - but I can't tell you why. Maybe there's a little to much colour in there.
The shade of the paper used and the marks and spots here and there make it look like it was really an old map. The handwriting is clearly but unique and completes the realistic look.
The only thing that really disturbs me is that you can see the pencils lines on some spots, e.g. aorund the writing "Attavir" or the "River Tirvarelle". Maybe you could have a look and erase that?

All in all this map is an amazing work and really realistic. I wish I could draw a map like this. Great work!
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:iconsenecal:
Senecal Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
No serious crit this time. Just a "nicely done!"
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:iconregicollis:
Regicollis Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2013
Really nice map. I like the subdued colours and use of texture very much. If the purpose of the map is to get viewers interested in the story it relates to you have succeeded. I'm certainly curious to know the story behind the map.
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you, I'm glad you like it :)

As for the story ... The map was meant as a prop for a D&D campaign of mine, but it never really happened. Ivorell used to be a kingdom but was torn apart in a civil war. Now there are only a few minor countries fighting over what's left and a number of larger, more powerful states around that try to do the same.
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:iconjuhhmi:
juhhmi Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, another so detailed and beautifully old-looking map!
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks again :)
For the :+fav:s and watch, too. I really appreciate it.
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:iconjuhhmi:
juhhmi Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome! :)
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:iconlaurentusvonsenin:
LaurentusVonSenin Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
Your overall style is very appealing. Consistency in the different elements is great, only scale of them seems to me a bit too wild, eg city-icons, trees too small, lettering too big.
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:iconcrayonmaniac:
crayonmaniac Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
featured in my latest journal because this is so great :hug:
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Heel erg leuk, dank je! :D
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:iconcrayonmaniac:
crayonmaniac Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
jij bent bedankt om ons allen te tonen hoe het moet :hug:
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Nouja ... Ik ga er haast van blozen zeg ;)
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:iconcrayonmaniac:
crayonmaniac Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
:hug:
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:iconfranciolli:
franciolli Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
Yesterday, with some friends, we looked for some map to use in our RPG game sessions and then we found the incredible map of Ivorell.

As Amliel said, a map of one fantastic realm, a blank history map that could be stage for many stories untold.
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Glad you like it. I hope you can use this one! :)
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DavidFlannery Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice work. I really like the subtle shading and choice of palette in the current version. It's very easy on the eyes; I feel drawn in and invited to endlessly explore this world. And that is my very favorite thing about a new map.

[Sorry; praise only, this time. :) I suppose if I had to squint and look for something to fuss about, I would say that the eastern region beyond the mountains seems like it wants something put there besides flat empty space, be it a more immersive text block (which can easily get ugly), or more terrain detail (as below the mountains in the southwest), or an icon or some other image--or maybe crop it a bit and shrink the legend to match. But your treatment of what is shown is wonderfully done.]
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you :)

And yeah, good point (I asked for it, right?). The map was originally meant as a map for the players of my long-dead D&D campaign, representing what they knew of the area they were in. So more detail in the center (their starting point) and mostly emptiness everwhere else. I resisted the urge to write something like "Hic sunt monstra" or whatever :P I added in more details when I pulled it out of my drawer again, but I guess I missed the eastern part. I'm not a big fan of text blocks, unless they have something important to say, but some more terrain or imagery would not have hurt. I'm not going to change anything now, though. I'm quite done with this one, but it's something to pay more attention to in the future. :)
Thanks a lot for your input; I appreciate it :)
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DePassage Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very nice work! I like this style.
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you! :)
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DePassage Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
you're very welcome!
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:iconwest2:
west2 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
You could try moving the political borders under the terrain where possible/appropriate (it's particularly jarring when it flows over the hills& forests).
It wouldn't necc. apply here, but this Craig Grando map used an interesting technique to deal with a similar problem: [link]
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Done.
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:iconwest2:
west2 Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012
Yes, much nicer. :)
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Glad you agree :)
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks for the tip :)

And I totally agree. I'm not sure how the borders would look 'under' the terrain. It's not just a matter of layer order. I've tried a few things after I read your comment, and I think the best course of action is to delete the borders in those places altogether. I was afraid it would look odd, but it doesn't. The mountains make for very convincing borders without the help of extra colours and the same goes for the edges of the forests.

I'll upload a new version soon. =)
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:iconjpb06:
jpb06 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Apart from it being a tad to clean (I would age it a bit more) it just wonderful.
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You think? I kinda like it this clean. But since I'm going to play with those political borders again, I'll try some more ageing. Maybe I'll like what comes out.

Thanks!
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:iconzalezsky:
zalezsky Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
VERY nice! Im sad that this form of cartography is dying out. I for one can barely even attempt this.
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you! :)
I'm not sure it's really dying out, though. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking ;)
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:iconzalezsky:
zalezsky Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well seeing as Deviantart doesn't classify us as a true art-form I believe it's dying :p
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Their loss :P
*kicks DA*
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ScotlandTom Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's a wonderful map, but as for what might be bothering you I wonder if it's the color of some of your borders. The areas delineated with red and yellow stand out nicely without being too bold. The areas in blue and green, however, I find to blend into some of the more natural features of the map. I wonder if keeping to a warmer palette with your borders (yellow, red, and orange for example) might help.

I have to say that I particularly like the river delta emptying into your central lake. I can imagine that over a long time the silt would fill the lake entirely and create a criss-crossing mish-mash of rivers and marshes. A very cool feature of the terrain.
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks for the input! :)

Yes, I think you're probably right. A friend of mine suggested something similar on facebook. The point is, I tried an orange border earlier and the problem with that colour was that it was too similar to both the red and yellow. Maybe I could find a wamer hue of blue and green? Or maybe I should just drop the green altogether.

I'm not sure what to do next. Part of me wants to keep fidgeting with it, another part of me wants to put an end to it and go on with the next map. :P
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:iconscotlandtom:
ScotlandTom Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Perhaps a purple then? I don't think you actually have need for four colors as only a maximum of three borders ever touch each other at any given point. Perhaps drop blue and green and replace them with purple - using yellow and red to fill in the gaps?

If those options don't work I'd probably leave it as-is. It's a wonderful map either way. :)
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Okay, not purple then (couldn't find a decent hue) but still ;)
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yup, I'm thinking of purple :)
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:iconworldbuilding:
WorldBuilding Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Professional Writer
Great map! I love the colour pallet and tone you've used for it. They make it very beautiful.

All the best,
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:iconbrian-van-hunsel:
Brian-van-Hunsel Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks! :)
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:iconworldbuilding:
WorldBuilding Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Professional Writer
You're most welcome ^^
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